If you are a Christian and do not wish to have doubts in your faith, STOP READING NOW. I have no intent of dissuading others from their belief for reasons I will outline later, but in this post I'll be discussing what happened when I looked back to the Bible to see if I was denying absolute truth.
I believed with certainty, before I started down this road, that the Bible was perfect, absolute truth and the word of God. I had a lot of doubts in not believing it. I still had a nagging fear that I might be wrong about everything.... again.
If you've made this transition, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. A lifetime of thinking one way doesn't change overnight.
It was about a year ago that I went back to the Bible to study. Part of me hoped I would find it as a perfect whole.
But it's not.
The reason why it needs to be perfect is because where ever it is not perfect truth, it is not the word of God. If I can prove some parts are false, what does it say about all the other sections which I cannot verify, parts which could only be verified by being there at the time? Errancy shows that while the Bible may have some great things to say, it's not absolute truth. It proves the Bible is the words of men.
I started by looking into prophecy.
I learned in christian college that prophets who were wrong were stoned to death because it meant they were false prophets. So all prophecy in the Bible should be 100 percent accurate, not just because a prophet said it, but because it is the word of God. So what happens if they aren't all absolute truth?
When I was young, I asked my mom about psychics. Ms. Cleo might have been popular at the time and I wondered how she convinced everyone she knew the future. My mom's reply was that it's easy to convince people you know the future if you speak vaguely because people will look for anything that can be interpreted as the prediction. She also commented that prophets in the Bible were specific and always right which is how we knew they spoke for God.
I believed with certainty, before I started down this road, that the Bible was perfect, absolute truth and the word of God. I had a lot of doubts in not believing it. I still had a nagging fear that I might be wrong about everything.... again.
If you've made this transition, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. A lifetime of thinking one way doesn't change overnight.
It was about a year ago that I went back to the Bible to study. Part of me hoped I would find it as a perfect whole.
But it's not.
The reason why it needs to be perfect is because where ever it is not perfect truth, it is not the word of God. If I can prove some parts are false, what does it say about all the other sections which I cannot verify, parts which could only be verified by being there at the time? Errancy shows that while the Bible may have some great things to say, it's not absolute truth. It proves the Bible is the words of men.
I started by looking into prophecy.
I learned in christian college that prophets who were wrong were stoned to death because it meant they were false prophets. So all prophecy in the Bible should be 100 percent accurate, not just because a prophet said it, but because it is the word of God. So what happens if they aren't all absolute truth?
When I was young, I asked my mom about psychics. Ms. Cleo might have been popular at the time and I wondered how she convinced everyone she knew the future. My mom's reply was that it's easy to convince people you know the future if you speak vaguely because people will look for anything that can be interpreted as the prediction. She also commented that prophets in the Bible were specific and always right which is how we knew they spoke for God.
Ezekial 26
7 “For thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I will bring against Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, with chariots, and with horsemen, and an army with many people. 8 He will slay with the sword your daughter villages in the fields; he will heap up a siege mound against you, build a wall against you, and raise a defense against you. 9 He will direct his battering rams against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers.10 Because of the abundance of his horses, their dust will cover you; your walls will shake at the noise of the horsemen, the wagons, and the chariots, when he enters your gates, as men enter a city that has been breached. 11 With the hooves of his horses he will trample all your streets; he will slay your people by the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 They will plunder your riches and pillage your merchandise; they will break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses; they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water. 13 I will put an end to the sound of your songs, and the sound of your harps shall be heard no more. 14 I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets, and you shall never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken,’ says the Lord God.
This prophecy is pretty darn specific. Nebuchadnezzar is going to destroy Tyre and it's never coming back.
But Tyre was never destroyed and still is an active city to this day.
Now there is A LOT of prophecy in the Bible, and many are accurate in the complete story, so how were they able to make such accurate predictions?
The authors of the New testament were quite familiar with the prophecies of the old testament and looked for opportunities to fulfill them. And if you think it was all on the up and up, check out this verse.
This prophecy is pretty darn specific. Nebuchadnezzar is going to destroy Tyre and it's never coming back.
But Tyre was never destroyed and still is an active city to this day.
Now there is A LOT of prophecy in the Bible, and many are accurate in the complete story, so how were they able to make such accurate predictions?
The authors of the New testament were quite familiar with the prophecies of the old testament and looked for opportunities to fulfill them. And if you think it was all on the up and up, check out this verse.
Matthew 2
13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”
14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt,15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”
The 'prophecy' here is from Hosea 11:1 and actually reads:
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."
The passage is very clearly talking about the Israelites exodus from Egypt, not a prediction of future events.
Which brings me to my next point. The easiest way to fulfill a prophecy, is just to write down that it happened.
Belief in all aspects of the Bible require a supreme trust in "historical science" as the creationist community say. You cannot repeat the events and so you must rely on the accuracy of the person that wrote it down. Archaeologists on the other hand rely on hard observable data left behind, like pottery, clay tablets, graves and anything really that tells the story of the past.
It may surprise you to learn that there has been no evidence ever to even suggest that the Jews were enslaved by Egypt outside of the pages of the Bible. A whole generation of people died out in the desert without one grave being left. The Egyptians apparently ate or burned every slave after death so as to hide the truth from us. A whole population which the Egyptians never recorded. There is also no circumstantial evidence such as a large change in population, an economic downturn or a shortage of workers to help this story along. To be fair, Pharaohs had a lot of power and would try to erase events from the record of their people. Amazingly enough, threes always someone devoted enough to leave something behind for us to find.
How much of the Bible is pure fiction? How much is historically factual?
I feel like this line is pretty blurry and I no longer care enough to try to sort it out. At every turn there is a sham. Don't believe me? What did God make the birds from, dirt or water? Check both stories in Genesis. Why do we need four gospels and is it even possible for all 4 to be completely accurate? If even the gospels, the most crucial evidence of the ministry of Jesus are not important enough for God to inspire accurately, how important was it?
I try to keep in mind that it is so easy to believe the Bible. There are a ton of resources out there from people who support the Bible's claims whole heatedly, and with the best of intentions. They are genuinely concerned for the eternal consequences of your soul and feel genuine sorrow for the perceived grief God feels. The real tragedy is that they simply do not know that the story they are being told is not real. Up until a several months ago I was in that same ark.
If the blind lead the blind...
"When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son."
The passage is very clearly talking about the Israelites exodus from Egypt, not a prediction of future events.
Which brings me to my next point. The easiest way to fulfill a prophecy, is just to write down that it happened.
Belief in all aspects of the Bible require a supreme trust in "historical science" as the creationist community say. You cannot repeat the events and so you must rely on the accuracy of the person that wrote it down. Archaeologists on the other hand rely on hard observable data left behind, like pottery, clay tablets, graves and anything really that tells the story of the past.
It may surprise you to learn that there has been no evidence ever to even suggest that the Jews were enslaved by Egypt outside of the pages of the Bible. A whole generation of people died out in the desert without one grave being left. The Egyptians apparently ate or burned every slave after death so as to hide the truth from us. A whole population which the Egyptians never recorded. There is also no circumstantial evidence such as a large change in population, an economic downturn or a shortage of workers to help this story along. To be fair, Pharaohs had a lot of power and would try to erase events from the record of their people. Amazingly enough, threes always someone devoted enough to leave something behind for us to find.
How much of the Bible is pure fiction? How much is historically factual?
I feel like this line is pretty blurry and I no longer care enough to try to sort it out. At every turn there is a sham. Don't believe me? What did God make the birds from, dirt or water? Check both stories in Genesis. Why do we need four gospels and is it even possible for all 4 to be completely accurate? If even the gospels, the most crucial evidence of the ministry of Jesus are not important enough for God to inspire accurately, how important was it?
I try to keep in mind that it is so easy to believe the Bible. There are a ton of resources out there from people who support the Bible's claims whole heatedly, and with the best of intentions. They are genuinely concerned for the eternal consequences of your soul and feel genuine sorrow for the perceived grief God feels. The real tragedy is that they simply do not know that the story they are being told is not real. Up until a several months ago I was in that same ark.
If the blind lead the blind...
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2009/12/07/ezekiel-261-14-a-proof-text-for-inerrancy-or-fallibility-of-the-old-testament.aspx#Article
ReplyDeleteI did enjoy this article and after reading it a second time there are still issues but they aren't really relative to believers because it involves questioning the presuppositions and circular reasoning of the Bible which I don't know yet if I consider fair when speaking to believers since I'm not trying to be insulting. Thank you again for taking the time to point these articles out to me.
DeleteFor Hosea 11:1- http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/documents/articles/11/11.pdf?x=x
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for posting these articles. As for the article on Ezekiel I have my doubts because it says "out in the sea". It mentions the settlements, but the focus is not the "settlements on the mainland." To be clear, God talks to Tyre in this passage, not Little Tyre, Tyre II, or just the settlements of Tyre. He (God) says Tyre. The settlements are a side note and God says he will make it a "bare rock" which it obviously is not. The information is a great addition and there may be issues with the current translations (I don't know Hebrew) that keep me from knowing more about this passage and what it's actually saying. Not to mention apart from this issue there is a lot that is open to interpretation (like whether old Nebuch was supposed to get some loot and got an apology for it later on in a passage that certainly implies just that.) And don't forget that God said "it will never be rebuilt." And to be honest I don't trust Maria Aubet because I can't find her sources. The pdf about Hosea is ridiculous. It wasn't a prophecy, but it was fulfilled because it had supernatural meaning bestowed on it by God which was only obvious to the writer of Matthew (God wanted to make it look silly to the rest of us?) or because the author wanted to make a correlation between Moses or Israel to Jesus. No. Flat out wrong. If he's just drawing a correlation, how is it "fulfilled?"
ReplyDeleteAnd as for the Exodus, well: http://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match
ReplyDeleteThis "small minority" is made up of authors who intend to prove the Bible to be true, and they cite Christian historians as being the historical source which contradicts the history we know now. The problem here is it is a group attempting to reconcile reality with religion. They assume the religion is true and so the reality must be false. They're picking out evidence with confirmation bias. It would be more significant if maybe some archeologists found a missive amount of chariots at the bottom of the red sea. (There is a claim they exist, from the same man who found Noah's ark, the ark of the covenant, and the original ten commandment tablets)
DeleteAlso, remember that until the end of the 19th century everyone claimed that there was never any such people as the Hittites. We like to think our archaeologists have found everything there is to find, but we keep getting proved wrong over and over, when they find more things that we've never seen before.
ReplyDeleteI am more than willing to concede I am wrong about the exodus account, if we find the evidence to prove it. I doubt we will find it and it seems pretty strange it was unknown to Egyptians at the time they even owned Israel. When you see it as a legend, everything falls into place. When you see it as truth, you have to do mental gymnastics to justify why it doesn't look that way. Faith can justify quite a bit. It took A LOT for me to even start to realize I'm wrong. The road to proving God actually exists beyond the Bible or your mind leads directly to unbelief.
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